Truth despite Consequences
I do happen to believe there is only one path. But that's irrelevant, because it presents itself to people itself, so there's no reason to harp on anything other than honesty. And the outward appearances of the path, or points of departure, aren't any issue either. We are all going in the same direction, or willfully in the opposite direction (though I've only personally met a few of those), or most commonly in no direction at all.
"That's what I think," said Pooh. "But I don't suppose I'm right," he said.
"Of course you are," said Christopher Robin.
"That's what I think," said Pooh. "But I don't suppose I'm right," he said.
"Of course you are," said Christopher Robin.
posted by Jeanne at 21:53
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Pooh said all of that? He's brilliant.
You said pooh. heh heh heh
"I do happen to believe there is only one path."
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"And the outward appearances of the path, or points of departure, aren't any issue either."
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Nonsense
How can you believe in ONE way yet there be variations? I'm curious.
"But that's irrelevant, because it presents itself to people itself, so there's no reason to harp on anything other than honesty."
So by definition your 'path' is dishonest if it presents itself one way to you and another way to someone else.
Isn't this relativism stated in absolute terms?
Thomas,
I didn't say it presents itself differently to different people. Then it would not be one path. I meant that, seen from the outside, and to the casual observer, the path may appear very different depending on the background of the person who follows it. People shed their habits successively, it seems.
Ridiculous, this talk about paths, actually. Nothing is drawn out ahead of me. I have no idea what awaits, even if I imagine at times that I do. Nor should I. That would be an assumption of knowledge that would minimize the greatness of being by attempting to encompass and define it. Each moment is enough.
Steve,
I do so call people names, when I loose my temper. Especially people who are hurting other people, animals, or the planet, or condoning the destruction.
I'm sorry if I had you worried.
I'm pretty harsh on (intentional)dishonesty too. It seems to damage people in a more indirect way. I have a post on Why I Don't Lie earlier on this blog.
"I didn't say it presents itself differently to different people. Then it would not be one path. I meant that, seen from the outside, and to the casual observer, the path may appear very different depending on the background of the person who follows it. People shed their habits successively, it seems."
Ok - clarified. But then you make the statement, if I get you correctly, that the path might be observed to be different depending on the background of the person who follows it. The inconsistency I pointed out still exists.
"Ridiculous, this talk about paths, actually. Nothing is drawn out ahead of me. I have no idea what awaits, even if I imagine at times that I do. Nor should I. That would be an assumption of knowledge that would minimize the greatness of being by attempting to encompass and define it. Each moment is enough."
I would argue that something is set out in front of you. But in any case the idea/metaphor of the path still holds good value because you can always look back and see your footstpes behind you. We always leave a trail.
The path BA is not the same as the paths CA, DA, EA, etc. They are all paths to A. Since A, in this case, is not only the destination, but the fuel and the ignition as well, there is also a complete correspondence between each of the paths.
I agree completely that a path shows itself in one's wake. I should be able to recognize elements of any part of a path I've already traversed.
In the sense that whatever will be, will be, there's something ahead of me. Nothing predictable, however, if we are to believe in free will.
I am beginning to feel that we are speaking the same language!
"The path BA is not the same as the paths CA, DA, EA, etc. They are all paths to A. Since A, in this case, is not only the destination, but the fuel and the ignition as well, there is also a complete correspondence between each of the paths."
You assume that A is universally identifiable. Is it really? Can you count on A being the same and true for every one?
"Nothing predictable, however, if we are to believe in free will."
I, personally don't believe in 100% free will. Humans aren't free to do as they please, they aren't free to exercise their individual wills sovereignly. But I won't press the point.
"I am beginning to feel that we are speaking the same language!"
I seriously doubt we are.
Thomas,
By "speaking the same language" I was not implying that we agree, merely that this was the first time I've been convinced that you realized what you were disagreeing with.
Joe,
You are a breath of fresh air.
the path is the path. everything is empty until you apply something to it.
i recently in a vision...ahem... saw people that looked like spinning persons from above. they just looked like little spinning sticks of colour going about their business. i knew i had bad memories attached to some of those spinning colors/people, but when i looked at them from above and they just looked like crayons mixing about in a room, it was hard to see them as anything other than essentially empty. an empty path is the same for everyone. it only differs in what we each attach to it.
what i'm hoping for here is for thomas to read this is pronounce it "Nonsense!".
Not enough people say "nonsense" authoritatively. And it's hard to do without sounding British.
"the path is the path. everything is empty until you apply something to it."
I'd disagree only to point out that the path can provide environmental forces.
"i recently in a vision...ahem... saw people that looked like spinning persons from above. they just looked like little spinning sticks of colour going about their business. i knew i had bad memories attached to some of those spinning colors/people, but when i looked at them from above and they just looked like crayons mixing about in a room, it was hard to see them as anything other than essentially empty. an empty path is the same for everyone. it only differs in what we each attach to it."
What substance provides this fun experience?
"Not enough people say "nonsense" authoritatively. And it's hard to do without sounding British."
Will french Canadian do?
Thomas,
My commenters are thick-skinned, but you should stop heckling them.
Steve,
Yes, stupidity sets me off too. But not ignorance.
By the way, you said something about opening a refridgerator door a while back that I didn't give the attention it deserved. You are right that by letting one's actions be steered by the wrong actions of others doesn't do any real good. "Creation" is a far more substantial activity. This is the same thing you seem to remind me of regularly. Thanks.
i say, there. excellent use of the copy and paste feature there thomas. heh.
french canadian will more than suffice!
the currently still legal substance that caused the brief, helpful vision is salvia divinorum.
canada, oh canada
"i say, there. excellent use of the copy and paste feature there thomas. heh.
french canadian will more than suffice!
the currently still legal substance that caused the brief, helpful vision is salvia divinorum.
canada, oh canada"
Pleased to make your acquaintance.
wow. thomas has won my smart-alecky heart. i may have to check out his french canadian blog and add him to my links...
it's fun commenting on jeannes blog. i think maybe jeanne is a punk-rocker.
i just ate a tomato sammich. yummy.
Steve,
Thanks. I hope I (we) can take you up on that at some point.
It is more difficult when one has children, who don't enjoy being, nor deserve to be, uprooted.
You're all nuts. Follow me to Mars...I know the way!
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